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  Protect the elderly

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks km is telling elders to arrange for group studies with people in local nursing homes, with instructions on how to word things when speaking to the directors etc.. they are clearly trying to get to people who may not be entirely able to think for themselves or who may lack critical thinking and yet may have money to leave to them.. what can you do?.

  well, if you wanted to, write a short and simple letter or email to your local care home, perhaps directly even speak to the director yourself... warn them about the brainwashing and danger of breaking up of families etc.

  the km says they should identify themselves as jw's... .

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  defender of truth

  I can't scan, sorry. This is from the UK kingdom ministry. I think they already do it in the states?
  (ask poster from page 1, he mentioned 'over here')
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  "When many die in an earthquake it is due to a natural mechanism that allows life to exist on earth, which also allows many to enjoy aspects of life."
  
  SERAPHIM, Why did God create the world in a way that required the random and senseless destruction of earthquakes? How have the countless species made extinct by disease or natural disasters benefited from God's method?
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  Protect the elderly

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks km is telling elders to arrange for group studies with people in local nursing homes, with instructions on how to word things when speaking to the directors etc.. they are clearly trying to get to people who may not be entirely able to think for themselves or who may lack critical thinking and yet may have money to leave to them.. what can you do?.

  well, if you wanted to, write a short and simple letter or email to your local care home, perhaps directly even speak to the director yourself... warn them about the brainwashing and danger of breaking up of families etc.

  the km says they should identify themselves as jw's... .

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  defender of truth

  How widespread is it, would you say, in your country?
  
  And yes, that is how it STARTS, according to the KM.
  Innocuous bible reading, my book of bible stories perhaps, then if someone has questions they are told to arrange a seperate individual Bible Study to answer them..away from the group.
  Some in our KH were talking about maybe holding studies with people in their rooms. Even if it was all done publicly, there will be plenty of elderly ones without clear thinking abilities who can be 'encouraged' to come to meetings, 'do more' and so on.
  The KM stated that one group had 20 people, and 1 got baptised, with 6 of them having Studies! That's roughly a third of that particular group of vulnerable people who were brainwashed, and one converted, because of something that likely started with bible stories and trivia.
  Ok, I give up. Nobody gives a damn, I get it..
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  Seraphim said: "When it comes to animals, I would certainly agree that an animal couldn't enjoy its life without the possibility of dying of cancer generally speaking, because mutation of cells is one way evolution works."
  
  What kind of a God would require His creation to go through so much pain and horrific deaths, in order to develop? An incompetent one or a callous one?
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  watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

  by friendaroonie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

  i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

  i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

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  defender of truth

  ^^ Please see the template for a letter on page 2 if you want to do something.
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  watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

  by friendaroonie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

  i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

  i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

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  defender of truth

  I feel it is worth warning homes, though, in case the jw's are well prepared and convincing. Don't know why I bother really..
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  watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

  by friendaroonie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

  i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

  i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

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  defender of truth

  Oh, and you may want to change 'elderly in our area' to 'the elderly and vulnerable in our local care homes'.

  Post here if you get any response?
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  Protect the elderly

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks km is telling elders to arrange for group studies with people in local nursing homes, with instructions on how to word things when speaking to the directors etc.. they are clearly trying to get to people who may not be entirely able to think for themselves or who may lack critical thinking and yet may have money to leave to them.. what can you do?.

  well, if you wanted to, write a short and simple letter or email to your local care home, perhaps directly even speak to the director yourself... warn them about the brainwashing and danger of breaking up of families etc.

  the km says they should identify themselves as jw's... .

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  defender of truth

  ^^ Anyone can use this template without asking my permission, just to be clear.
  A quick google search will tell you where your nearest care homes are.. Please consider doing this.

  Oh, and you may want to change 'elderly in our area' to 'the elderly and vulnerable in our local care homes'.

  Post here if you get any response?
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  Protect the elderly

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks km is telling elders to arrange for group studies with people in local nursing homes, with instructions on how to word things when speaking to the directors etc.. they are clearly trying to get to people who may not be entirely able to think for themselves or who may lack critical thinking and yet may have money to leave to them.. what can you do?.

  well, if you wanted to, write a short and simple letter or email to your local care home, perhaps directly even speak to the director yourself... warn them about the brainwashing and danger of breaking up of families etc.

  the km says they should identify themselves as jw's... .

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  defender of truth

  [ROUGH template for a letter or email, suggestions/additions welcome..]
  
  For the attention of the director of this establishment:
  
  
  Out of concern for the welfare of the elderly in our area, I just wanted to inform you of an upcoming campaign, in which Jehovahs Witnesses will be meeting with you to arrange a group Bible discussion in your (nursing home or regional variation). They will try to tell you that this is merely a discussion and not a religious service, but questions and debates will not be allowed, and they will attempt to get the person on their own to answer questions.
  
  They will not be merely reading from the Bible to your elderly ones and allowing them to talk about different understandings of the text, which could be a fine way to encourage actual discussion, the Witnesses will use one of their publications, which ultimately focus on guilt, control, and what we need to do in order not to be destroyed by God.
  
  They teach that anyone who refuses to change their beliefs and fails to join their group will be killed at Armageddon (although they will avoid this if questioned), due to happen any day now, which instills fear in people to obey or face death for disobedience.
  
  They instruct even family members to have nothing to do with those who leave the group due to simply disagreeing with a teaching, and not to speak to them unless they absolutely have to.
  Also, denying even life-saving blood transfusions is taught to be compulsory to join the group and avoid destruction by God, even in the case of children.
  
  While I of course respect everyones right to choose their own religious beliefs, and your right to decide what is best for the elderly in your care, please think carefully before allowing the Jehovahs Witnesses to form what is, underneath the veneer of a 'discussion', a regular preaching and disciple-making activity in your home.
  These people are not as harmless as they seem, their goal is not to talk about the Bible, it is to draw potential converts in with promises of a paradise world, just as long as you agree with their doctrines and join their organisation. Otherwise you will be destroyed.
  
  This theme is repeated often, though subtly and in a way that is difficult to see at first, throughout their publications.
  
  Thank you for taking the time to read this.
  If you would like any further information, feel free to contact me at: **** or take a quick look at any of the following websites..
  *jwfacts.com
  *(insert well presented non sensational website here)
  
  Yours sincerely,
  ****
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  watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

  by friendaroonie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

  i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

  i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

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  defender of truth

  Anyone can use this without asking my permission, just to be clear..
  [ROUGH template, suggestions/additions welcome..]
  For the attention of the director of this establishment:
  
  Out of concern for the welfare of the elderly in our area, I just wanted to inform you of an upcoming campaign, in which Jehovahs Witnesses will be meeting with you to arrange a group Bible discussion in your (nursing home or regional variation).
  
  They will try to tell you that this is merely a discussion and not a religious service, but questions and debates will not be allowed, and they will attempt to get the person on their own to answer questions. They will not be merely reading from the Bible to your elderly ones and allowing them to talk about different understandings of the text, which could be a fine way to encourage actual discussion, the Witnesses will use one of their publications, which ultimately focus on guilt, control, and what we need to do in order not to be destroyed by God.
  
  They teach that anyone who refuses to change their beliefs and fails to join their group will be killed at Armageddon (although they will avoid this if questioned), due to happen any day now, which instills fear in people to obey or face death for disobedience. They instruct even family members to have nothing to do with those who leave the group due to simply disagreeing with a teaching, and not to speak to them unless they absolutely have to.
  
  Also, denying even life-saving blood transfusions is taught to be compulsory to join the group and avoid destruction by God, even in the case of children.
  
  While I of course respect everyones right to choose their own religious beliefs, and your right to decide what is best for the elderly in your care, please think carefully before allowing the Jehovahs Witnesses to form what is, underneath the veneer of a 'discussion', a regular preaching and disciple-making activity in your home. These people are not as harmless as they seem, their goal is not to talk about the Bible, it is to draw potential converts in with promises of a paradise world, just as long as you agree with their doctrines and join their organisation.
  
  Otherwise you will be destroyed. This theme is repeated often, though subtly and in a way that is difficult to see at first, throughout their publications.
  
  Thank you for taking the time to read this.If you would like any further information, feel free to contact me at: **** or take a quick look at any of the following websites..
  *jwfacts.com
  *(insert well presented non sensational website here)
  Yours sincerely,****